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you're karl rove. not a good guy necessarily, but a smart guy. you're haley barbour. you're chris christie, one of these thoughtful people in the republican party you can argue. how are you going to stop these people from running if fay want to? >> cash. >> how do you stop them if they have money behind them? >> money talks, right? if you don't want this guy to win and you've got the koch brothers and you have adelson there, that's why they have a pac, right? >> that worked well for romney. here is the deal money can't buy you, authenticity. >> they're authentic, i hate to tell you. they're the real thing. >> they're authentic to the point where -- if you're authentic in your irrationality, great. you'll appeal to the irrational people. but when this guy says the earth was formed -- hold on. when the earth was formed 9,000 years ago and we started farming 10,000 years ago, it's insane. >> we have to come back to the fact that they have a base, that people like this have been elected. >> exactly. they have been. >> you know, i look at mourdock, he won. i like at akin,
you're karl rove. not a good guy necessarily, but a smart guy. you're haley barbour. you're chris christie, one of these thoughtful people in the republican party you can argue. how are you going to stop these people from running if fay want to? >> cash. >> how do you stop them if they have money behind them? >> money talks, right? if you don't want this guy to win and you've got the koch brothers and you have adelson there, that's why they have a pac, right? >> that...
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look at the rap sheet on this guy, karl rove. let's go down memory lane and remind ourselves at least, if the right wing doesn't, of some of karl rove's greatest hits. as a top adviser to george w. bush, he sold the war in iraq to everybody it seems. he got off scot-free even though he was at the center of the cia leak scandal. walked from that one. the architect couldn't help a republican majority in the 2006 midterms bring the democrats back to power in both the house and senate for the first time. he blew it all on the table. and in 2012 the sunlight foundation reported that crossroads had a 1%, $1 in $100, return on its election investment. so karl rove failed putting together a republican realignment, failed in holding the house and the white house and the senate, lost all that. got involved in the cia leak case, somehow got through that where scooter did get caught and the president -- actually the vice president should have been caught. that's not a good investment, joy, and yet there he is out there telling the republican
look at the rap sheet on this guy, karl rove. let's go down memory lane and remind ourselves at least, if the right wing doesn't, of some of karl rove's greatest hits. as a top adviser to george w. bush, he sold the war in iraq to everybody it seems. he got off scot-free even though he was at the center of the cia leak scandal. walked from that one. the architect couldn't help a republican majority in the 2006 midterms bring the democrats back to power in both the house and senate for the first...
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and karl rove can't organize it. neither can any of the other people who played with that power but who now can't control it. >> so those who rode the tiger are now inside the tiger. >> exactly. >> don't forget, the chamber of commerce, at very times, made common cause with the antigovernment, anti-tax, anti-everything. they were willing to get in bed with him at certain points. and now they're paying for it. and karl is trying to unwind what he's wound. >> he's like a track tout. i used to go and after the races were over, they would show you who they'd recommend you'd bet on. it was always the winners that pass out the free picks. i would have bet on this guy. that's rove out there saying i would have had all of these winners picked, we would have won all of these general elections and now everybody realizes we're going to go over it in a minute. but your thoughts? >> now, i totally agree with howard. your analogy there. the problem for karl is we have all the betting slips. his two organizations, american cross ro
and karl rove can't organize it. neither can any of the other people who played with that power but who now can't control it. >> so those who rode the tiger are now inside the tiger. >> exactly. >> don't forget, the chamber of commerce, at very times, made common cause with the antigovernment, anti-tax, anti-everything. they were willing to get in bed with him at certain points. and now they're paying for it. and karl is trying to unwind what he's wound. >> he's like a...
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karl rove wants to keep the fringies. and things like clinton did with school uniforms. and tell college students the jobs might be tough. what about the gun issue? should the republicans stick with the nra or tell wayne lapierre to get a real job? how could a party built other the decades on the people who left the democrats abandon those issues that attracted the rule south and the west people and the miners and the ranchers and the gun owners. and the people furious about immigration. how do you ban those people and keep a party? tonight an expert, a passionate believer that politics can get better. my colleague joe scarborough. here's the question. how do you keep this huge tent the republican party has built in the last 30 or 40 years with people from the south, the west, the miners, the ranchers, the religious right, all those people that have decided the republican party is their natural home and yet you have people in the fringe costing you your image. >> well, you've got to stand up to people on the fringe. you know, when parties go extreme they get roundly defe
karl rove wants to keep the fringies. and things like clinton did with school uniforms. and tell college students the jobs might be tough. what about the gun issue? should the republicans stick with the nra or tell wayne lapierre to get a real job? how could a party built other the decades on the people who left the democrats abandon those issues that attracted the rule south and the west people and the miners and the ranchers and the gun owners. and the people furious about immigration. how do...
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karl rove attacks ashley judd again. and bieber mania is alive and well here at 30 rock in new york city. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. the northeastern portion of the united states is still recovering from the devastation of sandy, and tonight the region is being hit by another powerful storm. the massive nor'easter could be one of the worst in history. well, you've got governors declaring states of emergency in new york, connecticut, and massachusetts, along with rhode island and maine. in boston, the city is the epicenter of two storms which could break boston's all-time snowstorm record of 27.6 inches. up and down the northeastern coast, between 1 and 3 feet of snow is expected to fall. forecasters warned of blizzard conditions including wind gusts of up to 75 miles per hour. this could cause widespread power outages this evening. the national guard was activated in states of connecticut, massachusetts, new york, of course to help with emergenc
karl rove attacks ashley judd again. and bieber mania is alive and well here at 30 rock in new york city. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. the northeastern portion of the united states is still recovering from the devastation of sandy, and tonight the region is being hit by another powerful storm. the massive nor'easter could be one of the worst in history. well, you've got governors declaring states of emergency...
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karl rove is out there fighting it. jim vandehei wrote in politico, it's not just karl rove wanting to get rid of the crazies. the party as a whole does. one high profile republican strategist who obviously refused to have his name in order to avoid inflaming -- >> it is feehery. >> it wasn't me. >> said there is a deliberate effort by party leaders to marginalize the cranks, haters, and bigots. there's a lot of underbrush that needs to be cleaned out. republican after republican told us the party dodged a bullet with mitt romney's loss. if he had squeaked in, this vital reboot would have been delayed. >> wasn't that mike murphy? >> it was feehery. >> let's speak for your party, john. so many people in your party think you have to do a better job of proctoring who gets the nominations and don't just leave it to the grassroots. your view? >> well, this is obviously a pretty divisive issue -- >> where are you? >> i don't like cranks and crazy people. i want winners. i want people who can win. now, that being said, you got
karl rove is out there fighting it. jim vandehei wrote in politico, it's not just karl rove wanting to get rid of the crazies. the party as a whole does. one high profile republican strategist who obviously refused to have his name in order to avoid inflaming -- >> it is feehery. >> it wasn't me. >> said there is a deliberate effort by party leaders to marginalize the cranks, haters, and bigots. there's a lot of underbrush that needs to be cleaned out. republican after...
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that's kind of how i view karl rove. i don't think he is done. i think he still has too many connections. >> i'll concede. ed, i will concede when i wrote the kicker to that piece and made that statement, you know, if you take that in isolation, it sounds pretty conclusive and final. i know karl viewed it that way. but i take your point. >> quickly, howard, how unpopular is mitch mcconnell in kentucky? could he be in trouble? >> well, put it this way -- first all, the republican base doesn't really like him. partly because he is from louisville. partly because he is an insider in washington. he has never been wildly popular
that's kind of how i view karl rove. i don't think he is done. i think he still has too many connections. >> i'll concede. ed, i will concede when i wrote the kicker to that piece and made that statement, you know, if you take that in isolation, it sounds pretty conclusive and final. i know karl viewed it that way. but i take your point. >> quickly, howard, how unpopular is mitch mcconnell in kentucky? could he be in trouble? >> well, put it this way -- first all, the...
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look, karl rove is -- this is sort of classic karl rove where on the face of it, it looks like what he's doing is, as you suggest, you know, very sort of self-beneficial. he ends up being someone who benefits from this, but at the same time it's something, as i said before, it's something that the republican party needs to do. the republican party cannot afford to have steve israel run for senate and lose -- >> you mean steve king? >> say that again? i'm sorry, steve king. >> steve israel, democrat -- >> yes. >> karl rove likes to pretend it was todd akin and richard mourdock who lost the election but wasn't it george w. bush, the monster to karl rove's dr. frankenstein who lost the election for republicans? >> well, he certainly did his part. i would -- as did karl rove. >> exactly. >> wouldn't you love to be in the meetings with donors when the donor says tell us what you've been up to recently, karl? what races have you won? that's going ton an interesting meeting. more importantly, one of the things i find so interesting, there's an element of chickens coming home to roost because wh
look, karl rove is -- this is sort of classic karl rove where on the face of it, it looks like what he's doing is, as you suggest, you know, very sort of self-beneficial. he ends up being someone who benefits from this, but at the same time it's something, as i said before, it's something that the republican party needs to do. the republican party cannot afford to have steve israel run for senate and lose -- >> you mean steve king? >> say that again? i'm sorry, steve king. >>...
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and his chief architect, the golden child, was karl rove. if they thought he was so bad now, didn't they think that he was so bad then? apparently not. i have another thought. if he raised and spent $300 million on failed candidates, krystal just gave you the number, 1.29%, imagine if they had spent $300 million on geotv in states like florida. or i have another state, pennsylvania. or maybe just crazy, virginia. oh, wait, they lost all three of those. >> yes, indeed. >> not to give them a playbook, but i'm just saying. >> you're giving them good advice. >> krystal, that interview stirred a bit of controversy among some conservatives. take a listen to this claim by karl rove. >> i was the director of the texas campaign for ronald reagan in the fall of 1980. >> now, that was interesting, krystal because reagan biographer craig shirley in an e-mail to conservatives today alleges in the course of his research, i'm quoting, at no time did i come across mr. rove's name in association with the reagan campaign. regardless of the veracity of this al
and his chief architect, the golden child, was karl rove. if they thought he was so bad now, didn't they think that he was so bad then? apparently not. i have another thought. if he raised and spent $300 million on failed candidates, krystal just gave you the number, 1.29%, imagine if they had spent $300 million on geotv in states like florida. or i have another state, pennsylvania. or maybe just crazy, virginia. oh, wait, they lost all three of those. >> yes, indeed. >> not to give...
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it turns out karl rove and mitch mcconnell are really, really afraid of ashley judd. >> is karl rove right, you have to be gate keepers? not you because you're not in the position but people like party chairs, fund-raisers? >> of course they are. but i don't know that karl rove, after his performance in 2012, should be the gate keeper. >> if some people think the best we can do is todd mourdoch -- excuse me, todd aiken and richard mourdoch, they're wrong. >> you made some mistakes but everybody makes mistakes. >> but he's already actually spending money, trying to stop one democrat from running for sena senate. >> poor ashley judd, come on now. you're calling her -- making fun of her. >> this is the opening act. she has said a bunch of stuff that the people of kentucky when they hear about it are are not going to like it. want to explain her radical views that she's got and in the weeks and months ahead we'll continue to introduce those radical views to the people of kentucky. >> we have but a moment left, sam and ryan. is bush's brain actually shaken by the woman who played reed hal
it turns out karl rove and mitch mcconnell are really, really afraid of ashley judd. >> is karl rove right, you have to be gate keepers? not you because you're not in the position but people like party chairs, fund-raisers? >> of course they are. but i don't know that karl rove, after his performance in 2012, should be the gate keeper. >> if some people think the best we can do is todd mourdoch -- excuse me, todd aiken and richard mourdoch, they're wrong. >> you made...
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here's the thing can karl rove. you cannot spend four years trying to convince the country that the president is a lying socialist intent on destroying america and killing babies and confiscating guns and then turn around and say oh, we don't like the candidates who support those views that we have ourselves been pushing for the past four years. so this is the chickens coming home to roost now. they have to have over a long period of time an evolution where they are convincing their base that they need to have more moderate candidates, more moderate positions. that's going to take time. >> do you agree with krystal? >> i agree with krystal 100%. they have to have more moderate rhetoric, but they also have to have policy positions that match the rhetoric. >> 100%. >> and when it comes to health care tacks, economy, immigration, gay and z lesbian rights, you name it. the republican party just isn't there. >> and so jimmy do you regard this extreme makeover as being purely cosmetic in effect? >> listen, everybody could
here's the thing can karl rove. you cannot spend four years trying to convince the country that the president is a lying socialist intent on destroying america and killing babies and confiscating guns and then turn around and say oh, we don't like the candidates who support those views that we have ourselves been pushing for the past four years. so this is the chickens coming home to roost now. they have to have over a long period of time an evolution where they are convincing their base that...
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. >>> red rover, karl rove's new push to score some winners is getting pushback from powerful conservative groups. this morning, a debate between one of rove's point men and one of his top critics. >>> and who do you know? and do you know who this guy is? you should. he just might be the most powerful person in israeli politics not named netanyahu right now. find out what an unexpected power surge from the center could mean for u.s. hopes for mideast peace. >>> good morning from washington. it's tuesday, february 5th, 2013. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. let's get to my first reads. president obama's state of the union address is just a week from today and the president is flooding the zone. worried the federal budget could dominate and limit his agenda this year. he's pushing other issues. he's talking guns one day, immigration the next. making sure he's not drawn into a standoff with republicans over the economy which would quickly come to define his second term. today, he makes the case on immigration to business leaders, including ceos like steve case and monica lozano fr
. >>> red rover, karl rove's new push to score some winners is getting pushback from powerful conservative groups. this morning, a debate between one of rove's point men and one of his top critics. >>> and who do you know? and do you know who this guy is? you should. he just might be the most powerful person in israeli politics not named netanyahu right now. find out what an unexpected power surge from the center could mean for u.s. hopes for mideast peace. >>> good...
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the question is can they resolve it, whether or not it is karl rove or any other group? can they resolve it in the next two years, if they lose in the next mid-terms they will be in a whole world of pain going into the next presidential election. it will be fascinating to watch. >> joy reid, richard wolff, thank you for joining us tonight. >>> and the flop, there was one in the speech tonight. and who has better comedy writers? david letterman? the only republican who is not afraid of dave. and in the rewrite, fox news is re-writing the pundits and getting rid of the people who have never been right about anything ever. we'll give you the greatest hits of "fox news" greatest losers coming up in a bit. ♪ get ready for a lot more of that new-plane smell. we're building the youngest, most modern fleet among the largest us airlines to ensure that you are more comfortable and connected than ever. we are becoming a new american. all stations come over to mithis is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two,
the question is can they resolve it, whether or not it is karl rove or any other group? can they resolve it in the next two years, if they lose in the next mid-terms they will be in a whole world of pain going into the next presidential election. it will be fascinating to watch. >> joy reid, richard wolff, thank you for joining us tonight. >>> and the flop, there was one in the speech tonight. and who has better comedy writers? david letterman? the only republican who is not...
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the question is can they resolve it, whether or not it is karl rove or any other group? can they resolve it in the next two years, if they lose in the next mid-terms they will be in a whole world of pain going into the next presidential election. it will be fascinating to watch. >> joy reid, richard wolff, thank you for joining us tonight. >>> and the flop, there was one in the speech tonight. and who has better comedy writers? david letterman? the only republican who is not afraid of dave. and in the rewrite, fox news is re-writing the pundits and getting rid of the people who have never been right about anything ever. we'll give you the greatest hits of "fox news" greatest losers coming up in a bit. how do you keep an older car running like new? you ask a ford customer. when they tell you that you need your oil changed you got to bring it in. if your tires need to be rotated, you have to get that done as well. jackie, tell me why somebody should bring they're car here to the ford dealership for service instead of any one of those other places out there. they are going
the question is can they resolve it, whether or not it is karl rove or any other group? can they resolve it in the next two years, if they lose in the next mid-terms they will be in a whole world of pain going into the next presidential election. it will be fascinating to watch. >> joy reid, richard wolff, thank you for joining us tonight. >>> and the flop, there was one in the speech tonight. and who has better comedy writers? david letterman? the only republican who is not...
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plus, details on a "the new york times" that says karl rove is taking on the tea party. an we're getting new information about the investigation in to the blackout during the super bowl. what happened? and what they're looking at this hour. come on. nowadays, lots of people go by themselves. no they don't. yeah... hey son. have fun tonight. ♪ prom! [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ back against the wall ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ keep you down and make you crawl ♪ ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ cut you down when you feel tall ♪ ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ ain't nothin to me [ crowd murmurs ] [ cheering ] hey! ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ ain't nothin to me ♪ [ howls ] ♪ that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they help save you up to thousands in out-of-pocket costs. call today to request a free decision
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one person who liked cantor's speech was karl rove. he promoted it on twitter as it was all unfolding. bob, is rove trying to become the architect of the party again? and of course he is going at it on the right-wingers as well. >> well, he doesn't have much choice, you know. he set up this new effort in american crossroads to try to influence gop primaries. and i'm not in the business of defending karl rove. but if i could take a leaf from gene robinson's book and say this is a kind of step that makes sense if you want to elect republicans. but the problem is with the dominance of the tea party types, the religious right, and a lot of these states you're going to see more republican nominees who are going to lose winnable races. rove wants to change that, although he is the one who contributed to creating it at almost every level over a long period of years. >> eugene robinson, bob shrum, great to have you on the program tonight. thank you so much for joining us. >>> remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the scr
one person who liked cantor's speech was karl rove. he promoted it on twitter as it was all unfolding. bob, is rove trying to become the architect of the party again? and of course he is going at it on the right-wingers as well. >> well, he doesn't have much choice, you know. he set up this new effort in american crossroads to try to influence gop primaries. and i'm not in the business of defending karl rove. but if i could take a leaf from gene robinson's book and say this is a kind of...
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does the new group draw a clear line in the sand between karl rove and the tea party? >> clearly, there are very significant divisions between these forces within the republican party, and i think the argument that the conservatives are making is that it's not just these very right wing candidates that lost. the republicans, a lot of the mainstream party-backed candidates lost, too. so i think that both of the asides within the debate are not coming to terms with the fundamental problems that republicans need to take on. alex, you reported that this new group said that it supports republicans like pat toomey, marco rubio, cruise. is rove the architect, is he as powerful as he once was, how much would his group actually matter? >> craig, i think that will be the test of the next 6 to 12 months and i think there's been a lot of attention on karl rove individually and there's good reason for that. he's an important figure in the republican party and there's this sort of larger network of the people associated with crossroads and the former general counsel of the u.s. cham
does the new group draw a clear line in the sand between karl rove and the tea party? >> clearly, there are very significant divisions between these forces within the republican party, and i think the argument that the conservatives are making is that it's not just these very right wing candidates that lost. the republicans, a lot of the mainstream party-backed candidates lost, too. so i think that both of the asides within the debate are not coming to terms with the fundamental problems...
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rove is trying to do. >> the fringiness. the fringies being upset by the establishment. really quick here, lori montgomery. boston globe reporting there might be a romney that gets in this senate race. do you think that's realistic or silliness? >> you know, i can't imagine that the romneys -- >> your tone says it all. >> are up for another one of these. >> who do you have, ravens-49ers? >> i'm an eagles fan, so once they're not in contention, i stop paying attention. i got to go with the ravens, see ray lewis finish on top. >> lori? >> if playoff joe flacco shows up, i think the ravens win. if regular season joe flacco shows up, not so much. >> thanks to both of you. just over to hours from kickoff down in the big easy and also two hours from the biggest of the year in advertising as well. we'll give you a preview of the ads to watch for in between the plays. first, though, a teenage girl just back from her trip to washington to perform with president obama's inauguration gunned down in chicago. a senseless tragedy that put
rove is trying to do. >> the fringiness. the fringies being upset by the establishment. really quick here, lori montgomery. boston globe reporting there might be a romney that gets in this senate race. do you think that's realistic or silliness? >> you know, i can't imagine that the romneys -- >> your tone says it all. >> are up for another one of these. >> who do you have, ravens-49ers? >> i'm an eagles fan, so once they're not in contention, i stop paying...
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karl rove's american crossroads had a 1.29% return on investment, spending $104 million. compare it to the house majority pac's 70% success rate on $30 million. another democratic super pac, majority pac is what it was called, had an even higher success rate. democratic super pacs did better in the last election because basically, they had a better message, with policies people actually cared about. it seems to me the republican super pacs were all based on a power grab. they had more money. but the money is meant to protect those at the very top. the wealthy. it's power versus populism. and this time around i think we did pretty well. i guess we could say that the citizens united beat citizens united based on where people were. but president obama's remarks three years ago are so true to this day. >> last week the supreme court reversed a century of law that i believe will open the floodgates for special interests, including foreign corporations, to spend without limit in our elections. >> to spend without limit in our elections. let's bring in msnbc political analyst an
karl rove's american crossroads had a 1.29% return on investment, spending $104 million. compare it to the house majority pac's 70% success rate on $30 million. another democratic super pac, majority pac is what it was called, had an even higher success rate. democratic super pacs did better in the last election because basically, they had a better message, with policies people actually cared about. it seems to me the republican super pacs were all based on a power grab. they had more money....